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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2006-06-07 04:44 pm
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Something in the water?

Is there something in the water today? People completely unrelated to each other on my LJ friendslist and random mailing lists have spontaneously broken out in discussion of LeGuin's Tehanu and the show and movie of Wild Wild West.*

Oh, and while I'm working on art show stuff, the Travel Channel is on, running a story on catacombs of the world and the narrator is mispronouncing it as "cata cooooms" EVERY SINGLE TIME, which is driving me crazy.


* In one case, resurrecting a years-old argument about the movie, which runs more-or-less thusly:

"I can't accept Will Smith as West, because a black man would not have been employed as a Pinkerton (Secret Service agent/whatever he was) in that day and age."

"So ... you can't accept a black man as Agent West because it's historically inaccurate, but you can accept GIANT MECHANICAL FIREBALL-THROWING SPIDERS?"

[identity profile] rayechu.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah I was reading the set on the recomendation of a freind. I just finished, and she read them in elementary school and they are her all-time favorites. I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the Ghibli movie, as now I know what the story is about.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
You can head on over to [livejournal.com profile] rushthatspeaks for a big discussion on it, then. :D

[identity profile] darkelf105.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
MWHAHAHAHAH and so Earthsea ruled your life for awhile. I am sorry you did not like Tehanu or the Farthest Shore (my favorite) and [livejournal.com profile] telophase I am sorry for the Tehanu on [livejournal.com profile] rayechu's lj?

[identity profile] darkelf105.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
erm, never mind, I see that there is a discussion on it elsewhere.

[identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The first DVD of the show The Wild Wild West came out this week.

I have no idea what's spiking Tehanu.

[identity profile] rayechu.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I would assume a combination of summer reading and Ghibli movie promotion.

[identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Black Pinkertons I can handle.

Machines which walk at high speed with steam-era materials drive me up the wall.

I liked the movie, but they still drove me up the wall.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
What drove *me* up the wall was Salma Hayek's fishnet hose. Stockings are period, hose that come up over your butt aren't.

[identity profile] forvrin.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is that an audience is prepared to accept only one major break from reality, aside from incidentals.

So basically, we had to take either the complete rejection of everything we know about human nature and the period, or the steampunk. Since the steampunk "fits" better in the period since its structurally correct to the period, the black Pinkerton is the one that sticks out.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2006-06-07 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not so sure about either of your points. Which is more of a break from reality, a black Pinkerton or giant mechanical fireball-spitting spiders, is a matter of point of view. I could make a plausible argument either way.

I also disagree that an audience can accept only one major break from reality (and what constitutes "major" and what "incidentals" is also a matter of individual opinion.) The entire series Samurai Champloo is a mix of correct period detail and all different sorts of wild anachronisms, and audiences seem to have either accepted it as a whole, or disliked the series as a whole.
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[personal profile] seajules 2006-06-07 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
...How can anyone have a problem with Will Smith as West when everything else about the movie was so damn bad? At least Jim West was still pretty.

[identity profile] dragovianknight.livejournal.com 2006-06-08 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Took the words out of my mouth...er, keyboard.

[identity profile] melisayshello.livejournal.com 2006-06-10 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I surprisingly don't have much of a problem with Will. I loved him as the fresh prince, so I've even come to love him as Hitch.
Weird...

[identity profile] obviouslyanon.livejournal.com 2006-06-08 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
See I was eleven, and Will Smith was cool. So my love for that movie is up there. I don't recall mentioning it recently though.

[identity profile] nazmo.livejournal.com 2006-06-08 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
The two are tried by (and rejected or accepted) different plausibility factors.

We're much more forgiving of license taken with technology in a given era because it could have happened with only a little imagination (and most of us don't have the grounding in the sciences to weigh it's likelihood). Conversely, we measure the possibility of a black man in the role of trusted confidant to the president in a societal context, which we understand much more intimately (or think we do.)

and let's face it, there's no 'holy shit! that was cool!' element to Will Smith being West.

[identity profile] clockwork-hands.livejournal.com 2006-06-08 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
At least that movie had some good ol' steampunk in it. Steampunk, as a movie genre, usually gets relegated to the crappy movies (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, also known as Two Hours Of My Life That I Will Never Get Back). So it was good to see a steampunk movie actually gross something.

I have your cheque, I just need to find a plain envelope. What happens if I send it in an envelope with the university letterhead? :p

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-08 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Um ... we get all impressed? :D

[identity profile] unrelatedwaffle.livejournal.com 2006-06-09 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I love the selective suspension of disbelief. My friends and I now respond to any nitpicking of that nature with the phrase "dancing spoons." This came about while watching Beauty and the Beast. During the Be Our Guest scene, the Eiffel Tower appears in the background, and I said, "Had the Eiffel Tower even been invented yet?" and my friend said, "I don't know, had dancing spoons been invented yet?" . . .Touché. mon amie.

[identity profile] melisayshello.livejournal.com 2006-06-10 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
I'll have to agree with the last comment quoted there. Ha ha!
Could you direct me towards this conversation? I am very bored.